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Who has the best coach in Seattle Lacrosse?
Submitted by walax on Mon, 2006-03-13 06:24.
With all the changes in coaching this year, including Eastside Catholic's coach moving from Snohomish, a new coach at Lakeside, and new assistant coaches at Bellevue and Mercer Island, who as the best coaching staff?
Criteria?
Taking a ~30 mile radius of the ever-expanding Seattle area, from what I've seen this year, the nominations should go to Bellevue and Snohomish coaches. I see nothing but class and momentum from both of those organizations both physically and "spiritually".
More points than your opponent, and win loss record is critical but a very SMALL part of the criteria that should comprises a best coaching staff nomination. Consider the win loss record at an equal level to Integrity, Trust, Inspiration, Accountability, Thought Leadership, and the OUTPUT of the team. A team is a FUNCTION, so in addition to winning games, the overall character, class, and integrity of the team should also count.
Winning is much like the word Happiness. Winning isn't a station you arrive at, it's a mode of travel.
Winning is a philosophy, is multi-dimensinal, and inter-disciplinary, and essentially amounts to honesty & leadership on and off the field, and even in your sleep. It is about trusting your players, and providing as many opportunities as possible to your players to be better today than they were yesterday-- better now than they were 5 minutes ago.
Just like back in the day, the best coaches/chiefs have players that would probably die for them if they had to, but would rather choose to cleanly outplay their opponents instead.
O'hearn and Fortier
For the last two years the same two teams have made it to the championship game. Issaquah is a relatively new program compared to BI and MI and they still manage to keep progressing year after year. This is obviously due to a good coach who took new players and turned them into a 2nd place DI team. MI was said to have lost all their talent, and had a so-so middle portion of their season, but Coach O'hearn worked with what he had and made a championship team. I say O'hearn and Fortier.
Fortier
Fortier's coaching at the senior showcase
Visco
My vote is for Jack Visco. He has an amazing understanding of the game. He was never my coach, but whenever he reffed at indoor games I felt priviledged.
Pinney sez viscos the man.
Pinney sez viscos the man.
google
I have a feeling you won't go to an MI practice and confront O'Hearn mano-mano with your comments. He is a just a little guy and you are so big and strong. He is so lucky you won't go.
maggie
no i havnt gone to an MI practice for a while, but i see ohearn playing summer league. although i havnt said exactly what i said here i have told him the jist of it. he knows how i feel about him and his style of coaching.
Visco and O'hearn
From their records and coaching styles, Visco and O'hearn come out as the best coaches in Seattle Lacrosse.
Rob Hawley
I think you gotta give Hawley some love. He is in a developing area right now out at Klahowya but you've seen what he did at lakeside all those years.
Team Sportsmanship Award
Although they may not make the playoffs this year, Coach Hawley has done a great job teaching these kids to respect the game. After losing a pretty good senior class last year, it's a tribute to Rob that they've done well in the Wins/Loss column as well as with their attitude on the field.
glad to see some
glad to see some constructive comments aside from all the mudslinging with Ian O'Hearn and Jack Visco (for what it's worth, I think both are worthy of high praise for what they've done).
Hawley's teams at Lakeside in the 90's were very good. Those who played for him all had a lot of respect for his approach. It's great that he is helping develop a younger program.
totally agree
hats off to ya
BI, Garfield, MI, and Issaquah
It seems like much of the argument in here is whether or not a coach can be accredited with developing a program if they already have a youth program. The most improved program is OBVIOUSLY bellevue, espeially since they will only graduate a handful of impact players next year. Aside from that, I will have to say that Garfield and Issaquah have had the best coaching staffs. Both of these teams started 5 years ago, without any feeder programs. Garfield almost immediately acquired QAMS along with Prep, and Issaquah developed youth and MS programs. This is largely due to the influence of the coaching staffs of the HS programs. BI and MI, both of which are perennial powers, have had the infrastructure already in place so that when they develop new varsity players, most have already been playing lacrosse for over 3, 4, or even 5 years. Coming from Garfield's program, I can say that many of Garfield players (in particular their 2nd line middies and their defense) started playing within the past 3 years. Developing players at such a late stage in their pre-college careers can be attributed to the coaching staff, and the individual efforts of the players of both of these schools, Issaquah and Garfield.
Garfield
I think that garfield has done a great job of developing their program, although it helps when you have a feeder like QAMS. I remember when i was a freshman though, and our JV team which was in D2 then beat garfield like 6-3. when I was a soph, our varsity beat them 13-3. In junior year we split contests against them, both 2 goal games. This year we came into our game against them as underdogs, fortunately pulling out the win. Their progress has been exponential every year, and although this is accentuated by guys like snider, moore, montoya, and schwartz, there are young players ready to carry on the torch as well. same thing goes for Issy. kudos
who to talk about
Let's not even bring up Baumann's name on here till he wins something. And please don't give him credit for developing Bellevue's program, there was a youth program growing and improving for three years before he showed up, and those players are the core of his team now. He didn't develop those players. Maybe in another 2-3 years his name can enter a discussion like this, but so far his biggest accomplishment has been shiny new uniforms.
Baumann
biggest acomlishment has been new uniforms? How can you not say that baumann is a great coach and one of the top coaches in the state when hes brought his team from 3-14 (last year) to now 6-2 and currently bellevue is 4 overall in the league. and remember that this is his second year of coaching bellevue give him a year and bellevue will be a preseason favorite for the championship. Dont get me wrong O'hearn and visco are great coaches and probably the two best in the state and they both have the championships to prove that.
First of all he coached them
First of all he coached them to that 3-14 record, so it's not like he came in and miracle worked right away. Second, don't get so excited by his now 7-2 record, it's impressive, but the quality of the record is clearly below the top four teams in the state (MI, BI, Garfield, Issy). If you don' believe me check out laxpower. And yes I agree that Bellevue can be a top team as early as next year, but my point is that he shouldn't be in the same conversation as these other coaches, who have developed great programs top to bottom, until he's actually been here long enough to take credit for his players abilities.
Baumann
By coaching them to a 3-14 record he more than trippled the win total for the previous year, and he did that with a squad that was mostly freshmen and Sophmores. His youth programs have improved significantly at the same time to the point where they are in the upper echelons at every level, and even the JV is strong. Taking a program that was in shambles 3 years ago, and doing what he has done is pretty remarkeable. He hasn't won any championships yet, and may not win it this year, but from next year on, watch out for Bellevue.
Having coached against both
Having coached against both MI and BI at several different levels it is easy to see that there is a prevailing culture at both programs, and it is pretty obvious that one program is all about winning at all costs, and the other is about teaching, and respecting the game. This is made even more evident by the comments coming from each program. I also don't agree that either of these 2 coaches is the best coach in the state. I think the best current coach in the state is actually Anthony Spinelli at Skyline. He took over a new program, and up until last night they were undefeated. Watch for them in the DII playoffs, and future years probably in DI.
which program teaches and
which program teaches and respects the game?
Visco
You can't knock success. Visco and Bainbridge just shut down a pretty good Garfield offense yesterday. Add that to the mix. I think he might get another state championship this year to make a case for the best.
Success, BI couldn't even
Success, BI couldn't even beat Lakeridge in Washington.
Read the Topic!
We're talking about the best coach in Seattle Lacrosse. Last time I checked, Lakeridge is a bit south of Seattle. A loss to the best team in Oregon is hardly proof that you're not a good coach. Quick, can you think of any other program that has beaten BI this year? Didn't think so. The loss against a very good Lakeridge team was early in the season. I'd put money on BI beating them at this point in the season. They've found their groove and they won't lose again this year. Guaranteed.
Lakeridge
I have come to understand that belax is referring to one of the three grade schools on Mercer Island when he said "Lakeridge in Washington".
Visco the best - that was a joke right?
It was the best thing MI did when they got rid of Visco. A good coach isn't just about winning state championships and may I say he's only won one! A good coach is an individual that not only teaches players how to play lacrosse but also teaches life lessons and values.
Although MI isn't doing too well right now, Coach O'hearn has won 2 championships to date and has a more well rounded approach to being a head coach.
visco
there can be no competition visco is the best coach in the state. he was the coach to end BI's famous 7 year title streak, so you have him to thank "MI are the champions" for getting your program to the top. when you guys stupidly let him go he went to BI where he dominated for two years, easily winning 2 state titles and going undefeated. so that makes him have 3 titles to O'hearns 2, do your research, or maybe one of those ignorant kids who doesnt give any credit to the fathers of your program. Im not sure what you mean with O'Hearn having a more well rounded approach, but he sure is classless. i played against him as a coach and as a player and the man has no respect for the game. im pretty sure showing class on and off the field as well as contributing to the lacrosse community should be in the criteria for a "well rounded coach".showing life lessons and values like punching a kid in the face during summer league, yea sounds like a stand up guy. visco is the best and will always remain the best.
All coaches comments...
Folks, if you want to represent your coaches best features, or the coach you think is the best, explain why they are the best. Visco, OHearn, everyone who coaches kids in Seattle has strengths that make them "the best coach". make a positive point, or at least try to make a compelling argument as to WHY you think a certain coach is the best coach.
Positive notes?
All I can say about Visco, a coach whom I have observed for three years, is that he puts more into a program and community than many give him credit for. During the off season Visco is out on the field TEACHING anyone, whether it is a youth, high school student, male or female, the love for the game. He is on the field every day during the summer months. You all can argue about who is the best coach in the state, but if all of the lacrosse coaches in Washington had the same passion for the game as Visco, then we would have more teams and kids playing the great game of lacrosse.
he coaches in the off season?
thats really nice and all that he teaches in the off season, but did you know that coaches arent supposed to have any contact with their players in the off season. so is Visco cheating?
off-season
no-visco coaches camps all summer long, he knows the rules and has been accused countless times of cheating before in attempt to get him fired. when visco is at a camp or a summer league game he tries to get everyone involved. i dont know how many times he has walked up to a random onlooker, be it man , woman, old, young and offered them gear and his stick to try the game out. he's not cheating just trying to spread the great game of lacrosse.
Opinions
"MI are Champions" -- you are certainly entitled to your opinions, and it's okay that you are on one hand sticking up for your own coach.
But on the other hand you are entirely out-of-line to publicly denigrate Coach Visco with the the inuuendo that "the best thing MI ever did was when they got rid of Visco"... Where do you get off showing such a fundamental disrespect to a man who helped build your own program into what it is today? Those of us who have been around awhile and understand this sport of lacrosse know better. Jack Visco is -- despite what you or anyone else might think of him personally -- a tremendous lacrosse coach who has a record of success no matter where he has coached. Jack has also given a tremendous amount of time and effort helping to grow this sport in the state of Washington, and in teaching youngsters how to play this game. I myself have learned much from Jack about lacrosse, even though I had over twenty years of lacrosse experience before I ever met him. Coach Visco deserves much better than to be "dissed" by immature kids who hide behind aliases and post here anonymously.
Re: Visco the best - that was a joke right?
[quote=MI are champions]It was the best thing MI did when they got rid of Visco. A good coach isn't just about winning state championships and may I say he's only won one! A good coach is an individual that not only teaches players how to play lacrosse but also teaches life lessons and values.
Although MI isn't doing too well right now, Coach O'hearn has won 2 championships to date and has a more well rounded approach to being a head coach.[/quote]
I am pretty sure he won 1 at MI and so far 1 at Bainbridge. So isnt that the same as O'Hearn?
Actually..
O'hearn won three champioinships and was runner up at least twice
when?
o'hearn won in 2004 against a depleted BI team and won in 2005. thats twice, the ONLY two. he was runner up 2002, 2003. again only twice, check your facts
Actually it was 3 championships
remember the 2 year undefeated streak....that would be 2 championships. Also, this years championship....that would be 3 championships. and before that he was runner up two times to bainbridge. If you attempt to correct me, stating i am incorrect, i happen to have been on the latter of the 2 championships (8-7 mi v issy and 10-9 mi v issy) as well as in the crowd for the first (12-3 mi v bi). This is why we call it a 3peat....now check your facts next time buddy
Coach
MI had the best coach then let go of him. Lets hope Bainbridge doesnt do the same thing...Coach Visco is the best coach and has the championships to prove it.
Best Coach
How is this even a debate? John Baumann LONG ISLAND REPERSENT
Best HS Coach
Lakeside's Women's Varsity coach is fantastic - Jamie Asaka. Keep an eye on this team this year!
Fortier and Bayly
Hands down.
I learned more in a year playing with them than I did at Eastside or any camp. Bayly teaches you physically and Fortier teaches you mentally.
First year at Issaquah- DIII Finalist
Second- DII Semi Finals
Third- DII Champs
Fourth- D1 Finalist
Fifth- D1 Champs... only time will tell
Jake Randolph
President of Washington St. Lacrosse
Issaquah and Seattle Starz 2005
Eastside 2002-2004